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Realism In Giant Monster Movies: Good or bad idea?

Wed Apr 15, 2009, 12:39 PM
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When someone says that they would like realism brought into daikaiju eiga, you will most likely get a response something like "It's a movie!", or "Giant monsters are impossible.". I propose we explore the issue and both sides of the debate more in depth by comparing arguements:
Unrealists: Kaiju are impossible due to violations of laws of physics such as the Square-Cube Law.
Realists: Kaiju built out of the same materials as mundane animals would be impossible, but if it were made of stronger materials might be possible. Alternatively, they argue that just because the kaiju is impossible doesn't mean that the world around them doesn't need to be unrealistic in its reactions to kaiju's actions.
U: Who gives a fuck if it's realistic?
R: The genre isn't doing so well. It could be refreshing take on an old genre. Modern audiences want realism, why not try it?

What are your thoughts? Please give your two cents below! :twocents:

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:icongareku:
thanks for the fave! Have you seen my original kaiju Jiragon?:

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:icontm2db:
thanks for the kind words!
:icongareku:
Hey, it's been a while.

I know that the Godzilla 94' script is a terrible Godzilla script, but what would you think of it if it wasn't a Godzilla remake, but a tribute to Godzilla and other kaiju using an original monster?

While you say that Gamera would work pretty well in the script, personally I'd like to see something new :D

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:icongodzilla2014:
That would probably work better.

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Yeah, any suggestions? Oh, and take a look at this new stuff in my gallery, it provided me with a lot of inspiration and will probably help with your Godzilla project too! :)

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:icongareku:
You know about my new American Godzilla fan fiction project, right? Do you think you can help? Specifically, I need you to help me make the story feel like "Godzilla". As you have said earlier, Godzilla vs. Gryphon is too much like Gamera and Godzilla 3-D is too much like Gorgo, so I really want it to feel like Godzilla.I also need help with the realism of the story, with out going over board of course. There will still be a lot of Showa style humor (Godzilla stepping on people, Godzilla's bad ass character), and pseudo science, while still being darker than G vs. G. Do you think you can help?

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:icongodzilla2014:
Sure! I would be glad to help!

The satellite opening makes no sense. I suggest that the satellite should be knocked out of orbit by the meteor into the sea. That's a much more realistic and less problematic solution to the completely nonsensical opening of Godzilla 3-D, instead having the audience wonder, "How the hell does a meteor impact cause a satellite to launch a nuke?" What do you think of my opening suggestion?
The first Godzilla vs US Navy battle seems forced. I would suggest having it be a depth charge operation like in the original film. Godzilla shouldn't follow the ships. The way I see it, he doesn't like being shot so once the remaining ships retreat, he would not follow them. It also makes the Navy look like idiots for not realizing that he is tagging along. I got more than enough of that offensive bull**** in ZILLA.
How do they discover the radioactive nature of Godzilla's metabolism?
The U.S. military would want to keep Godzilla as far away from San Francisco as possible.
Where did the nuclear retardant missiles come from?
Why is Godzilla being taken to LA?
Why is he following a helicopter?

How does one go overboard with realism?
(How is Godzilla stepping on people funny? How is his bad ass character funny?) Please don't make the monsters shouldn't dance & do other dumb**** like that. I know people found that fun in the Showa series, but it felt kinda painful to watch for me because of what Godzilla was reduced to. It was like watching a role model destroy themselves with drugs, like the audiences the Showa films were designed for.
Could you be more specific about the pseudoscience?

Thank you for bringing me on as a consultant!

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have u seen Rockor yet
:icongodzilla2014:
No.

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:icongareku:
Thanks!

Well, there was another option I was considering, having the meteor hit a nuclear sub. But your idea sounds better!

Okay, I'll simply have Godzilla destroy all the ships.

They discover it while he is battling the Navy, like in the G vs. G script.

I'm working on that bit. Oh, and the final fight will probably take place in Tokyo now.

They are constructed after Godzilla's battle with the Navy.

I fixed that. The meteor is taken to Tokyo, and Godzilla follows it due to it's radioactive nature. Once Godzilla is there, the meteor "hatches into a giant space monster.

Making Godzilla TOO dinosaur like.

There was a scene in G vs. G where Godzilla repeatedly stomps a looter who was shooting at him. I thought it was funny, so I "recycled" the scene. Now, a soldier with a bazooka will be firing at Godzilla, and Godzilla stomps on him a few times. Don't worry, i won't go overboard with the campiness, just using a small amount to make it somewhat iconic to the Showa days.


As for the bad ass nature, just look at some of the nonchalant, almost casual things G did in G vs. G like flicking away the amniotic fluid tank and things like that. Godzilla will also be just pure bad ass with the fighting style he uses (ripping off other monsters heads, biting out their throats).

I'll be using mmost of the pseudo science seen in g vs. G, like Godzilla being a living nuclear reactor and that his nuclear breath is ionized oxygen.

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:icongodzilla2014:
You're welcome!

Thanks!

I was saying that Godzilla might let them live, but I don't think he would follow them unless he is intent on their destruction.

That scene also made no sense in G v. G. I modified a quote from The Intuitor's review of The Core for relevancy purposes to express my thoughts on that scene "Without examining anything, Vaught takes about five seconds to surmise that the tactical nuke will be ineffective and its ineffectiveness will definitely be due to Godzilla having a nuclear reactor based metabolism. We're supposed to be impressed, but our experience with real scientists and engineers indicates that when they're on-the-record, top-notch scientists and engineers won't even speculate about the color of their socks without looking at their ankles1. They have top-notch reputations because they're almost always right. They're almost always right because they keep their mouths shut until they've fully analyzed the data." [link]

So is this no longer an American Godzilla?

Ok.

Actually making him look like a real dinosaur without accomodations for size is unrealistic. It's one of many reasons why Godzilla is more realistic than Zilla.

I HIGHLY reccomend getting rid of the soldier bit. That is out of place, unfunny, and disturbing. I've had a fucking surplus of jokes at the U.S. Armed Forces' expense from ZILLA. It's Godzilla, not MARS ATTACKS! or South Park. Unless it's rewritten as such (or used in its original form with the looter), the bit will never work. Then I might laugh. As is, I am only disturbed.

Not sure how that's funny.

Actually that isn't pseudoscience. Ionized gas is real, although its better known as plasma. Its also what I have interpreted Godzilla's Nuclear Breath as in the Toho films. Godzilla being a living nuclear reactor is not completely unrealistic, and was introduced in the Heisei series.

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The looter/soldier bit was unfunny? :P

Says YOU.

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